Activist Investor David Callan Has Been Accumulating Identiv Stock, Here is Why

 

Summary

  • These days we hear about shareholder activism almost daily. It is next to impossible to watch CNBC and not hear discussions about some form of activism.
  • Carl Icahn, Dan Loeb, Bill Ackman, George Soros or any of other familiar names that have become famous for challenging public companies and its board members.
  • On a much smaller scale and using his own private funds, David Callan has been no exception to that group.
  • He has been successful as an activist in his last four public campaigns to explore strategic alternatives including the sale of the companies.
  • For a refreshing change, Callan is on the other side of the table as an investor in a company he feels will yield large returns over time.

Written by Scott Matusow and Kyle Dennis.

The company David Callan has been buying shares for a long term investment is Identiv (INVE), which he considers a well-executed turnaround story in the making.

Identiv is a technology company that focuses on developing products to provide Secure Identification. These products include radio frequency identification, smart card-based security, cloud-based service delivery, and near field communication.

  • Top Notch Management

Callan has informed us that he is giving his support to the current CEO and board of directors. He personally informed me that, "Identiv has the most impressive CEO I have come across in years." Hearing this from Callan is certainly strange for me as he normally deals with poor management and CEO's. Most of the time he successfully ousts or forces these groups to sell their respective companies because of poor execution that costs shareholders a lot of capital and heartache.

Callan has been in contact with Identiv and its new CEO, Jason Hart, watching closely as he orchestrates a major overhaul of Identiv to position the company for future growth and success. While this company is outside of the medical device field that Callan typically focuses on, recognizing strong management and solid growth platforms are commonplace for him.

When it comes to investing in a small cap company, the first rule we live by is "bet on the jockey before betting on the horse." Like Callan, we are most impressed with Jason Hart, who is the kind of jockey we bet on. In fact, Hart chose not to press release the company's partnerships with Verizon (VZ), but rather spoke of this development on Identiv's last earnings call from Quarter One, 2014.

The details of the Verizon deal are not fully known. There is a likely reason for this: Many large companies simply do not want potential criminals to know exactly what type of security they are using to protect their infastructure. Also, Verizon may have requested the details of this deal not to be made public.

Additionally, we were impressed with the call and felt Hart was clear and precise on what his management team has been doing to ensure current and future company success.

  • Callan Building Position in Identiv

Callan recently spoke with CEO Jason Hart along with Chief of Staff (COS) Lennart Streibel, and described this conversation as possibly one of the best calls he has ever had with a public company. In fact, he informed us it was the first time in years he actually enjoyed listening to management because of its quality versus the excuses that he hears regularly from companies with poor management.

Hart and his team have been consolidating and integrating what used to be 37 businesses (many from acquisitions) into one elite and streamlined company with a clear focus - a sign of good management. Callan feels that Hart and his team are executing at levels that even exceeded his expectations and stated to us:

What Jason and his dedicated team have accomplished in such a short time is frankly astounding. They are making all the right moves as I see them, and executing without hesitation. The accomplishments to date would have taken most companies two years and yet Identiv has been able to do it in less than half that time. All the while, they are growing segments of the business they see as strategic to the tune of 36% year over year in the last quarter. This company has the right products and technology, the experience, the right leadership, and most importantly, all at the right time.

Following his last call with the company Callan told us he instructed his broker to "keep buying shares until his arm hurt." So, again Callan is amassing a sizable position for himself in a company. This time it's not to apply pressure to get a company to sell, but rather to be a long term investor.

We have been doing our own research and due diligence on Identiv and we like what we see. It is clear that Opus Bank likes what they see as well considering they have recently extended a $20M round of financing that carries an interest rate of almost half the previous facility. Mr. Hart has adopted a single-focused strategic initiative in this turnaround and has kept most of the story out of public eye in terms of "promoting" Identiv stock.

Hart has been consolidating Identiv divisions into a more streamlined approach which include, but are not limited to:

  1. A better liquidity position in lieu of a $20-million credit facility with Opus Bank
  2. Selling non-core assets
  3. Partnerships with Verizon and, "the largest security distributor in the U.S.," that are centered on a single core business theme, "Trust Your World."

An example of how Hart and his team have been executing the "Trust Your World" theme has been by bringing product awareness to the market place and engaging workshops that are designed to educate potential clients on cyber security issues the world is facing today and in the future. This is a cost effective way for Hart to both land clients and bring name recognition to the Identiv. Far too many small cap public companies give too much weight to stock price over business execution by over emphasis in stock promotion.

Companies with management that engage in stock promotion mainly focused on its price per share often tend to fail in executing its core business initiatives, which is a constant theme we see over and over again. We know that if management has good product and promotes it correctly as we believe Hart has been doing, stock price appreciation will follow suit in time.

Hart is expected to begin meeting with the institutional investment community in the third and fourth quarters, which tells us that this company and stock are ready to hit the radar of many market participants. We want to get out in front of this story and put our reputation out there because we believe Identiv has large potential. With its current valuation, we feel the company offers investors who are willing to take the risk on a small cap company the opportunity to see Identiv turn into a larger cap company over time.

The corporate changes being made late in 2013 and 2014 are staging the company for significant upside potential in the years to come. Landing a deal wit companies like Verizon and focusing on OEM contracts with major players should just be the beginning of success for Identiv.

  • The Next Big Trend in Tech

The "Internet of Things (IOT)" is as big a buzzword as you can find in tech today. In fact, author John Naughton remarks:

I tell you, this thing is Big. Why, only the other day, an outfit called IDC said that the IoT is going to generate a staggering $7.1tn in sales by 2020. No, that's not a misprint: I meant trillions.

Hart is positioning his company to capitalize on the buzz as it is uniquely positioned to deliver "Trust" to the Internet of Things with its new "Trust your World" vision that focuses on delivering solutions for the rapidly expanding connected world.

For instance, Identiv is focusing on such IoT opportunites as Near field communication (NFC) technology. NFC is a set of standards for smartphones and similar devices to establish radio communication with each other by touching them together or bringing them into proximity, usually no more than a few inches.

As CEO Jason Hart remarks out in his blog;

NFC offers a low-cost and secure way to allow sensors and inlayed stickers to be connected to the Internet, even if only for a moment. What is key, here, is implementing a trusted identity within those sensors.

As the demand for low-cost sensors in the NFC world continues to grow exponentially, the need to manage, secure, and interact with them will only become more challenging. It is absolutely necessary to have a simple, secure, low-cost solution to deploy and manage that identity, while maximizing the value that the IoT can bring to the world.

Such examples would be systems that include a mobile app based on the NFC platform that provides real-time information about a business's inventory. If inventories are running low, a business will know exactly how much inventory is left, and how quickly those inventories are dwindling so that a business can re-order when needed - all in real time.

Indentiv is focused on three main areas: Trust Solutions for Premises, Trust Solutions for Information, and Trust Solutions for Everyday Items. Its' platform for delivering these solutions is Identiv Trust Services (ITS).

Such trust services include UHF and HF RFID tags for use in asset identity-management systems across a broad spectrum of industries, such as retail, logistics, and health care, to name but a few.

For instance, Ebay's (EBAY) recent data compromise of up to 145M customers, who were then asked to change their passwords as a precautionally measure. While Ebay stated that no customer information was compromised, the very thought to hackers being able to potentially access customer critical data is alarming.

The future of IoT will encompass users move away from simple passwords and towards a more integrated and streamlined identity management system. If such a system was in place for Ebay, it's likely this attack and potential data compromise would have not taken place. Indentiv seeks to in part, provide service towards this end.

The above is just a small fraction of the IoT field, so we can see why some analysts believe the market will be in excess of $7 trillion by 2020. If Identiv can manage a meager 1% market penetration, it could then realize a substantially higher market cap moving forward, potentially in the billions. It's really simple math here. What is not simple is actually getting the job done. We feel that with good management, Indentiv can at least realize a modest market penetration.

Apple (AAPL) most recently came forward with its push into the Internet of Things space by introducing Apple Homekit. Homekit acts as an Internet of Things platform, creating a common interface for developers to securely integrate a wide range of home control functions like lights, thermostats, appliances, locks, and other devices through the iPhone or iPad and even with Siri.

We believe "The Internet of Things" is the next trend that investors will take notice of. The big players in the tech industry have already started consolidating assets for this trend. Apple has partnered with Texas Instruments (TXN) and Phillips (PHG) to work on in home automation and security - Google (GOOG) also acquired Nest Labs for $3.2B earlier this year.

As this trend catches on, we believe Identiv will be attractive to bigger money investors over time.

Due to previous management acquisitions, Identiv has a wide array of products. New management has consolidated and streamlined this profile so that the company can become profitable. As mentioned, large companies like Verizon have signed contracts with Identiv and others are sure to take notice. Although it's very early in its journey, we believe that the new management team is positioning the company correctly for future growth. With a market cap under $100M, there is good room for share appreciation.

Investing in companies before they become a trending topic is how the biggest gains are made in the stock market. We have seen companies in different sectors do well this year as the sectors they are involved in have gained attention.

For example, in 2014, the energy sector has been receiving a lot of attention. Two companies that have been in the headlines quite a bit lately have been Plug Power (PLUG) and FuelCell Energy (FCEL). These two companies are working to develop alternative energies that are economically and environmentally friendly. The technological basis for both companies is the fuel cell. A fuel cell uses chemical energy and converts it into an electrical output. The advantage to these fuel cells is that they are supposed to produce more sustainable energy and reduce our carbon footprint. Plug Power uses these fuel cells in its GenDrive technology.

GenDrive are fuel cells, which seamlessly integrate with electric lift trucks that usually use lead-acid batteries. FuelCell Energy installs and operates fuel cell plants. The company manufactures several variations of the batteries and claims its solution is more efficient and ultra clean. Both of these companies are highly speculative, but there is no denying that they gained major investor attention. Plug Power traded below 12 cents in 2013 and rallied to as high as $11.72 in early 2014. FuelCell Energy traded as low as $1.30 early this year and rallied to $4.74 in early March. These companies may or may not be successful in the long term, but those who identified the energy and alternative energy trend early made huge returns.

With Plug however, we feel it has been the benefit of a lot of market attention, and many are skeptical of its story to this point. We get many emails on a daily basis asking us to check out companies that they claim is the "next big thing." Just about every company brought to our attention either has poor management, poor financial structure, poor product, and other variables that do not inspire our interest.

Identiv is clearly under the radar and is just beginning to capitalize on the IoT trend. We see similar upside for Identiv that Plug Power and FuelCell Energy had earlier this year in terms of stock appreciation, but with stronger appreciation over the long term.

  • Undervalued and Under the Radar

As it stands today, Identiv trades at a market cap of below this year's projected sales of $80-90M which we feel is too low of a valuation. Typically, valuations are low because growth is declining, management is failing, or the sector is being phased out. We see the exact opposite with Identiv. The company is well positioned, the market is emerging, and is well managed by Hart and his management team.

  • Risk/Reward Profile For Long Term Investors Is Favorable

Obviously, as with any small cap company, Identiv can fail. But, with Hart captaining the ship, we feel the company will be largely successful in time. Additionally, we feel it's likely that when Hart meets with Wall Street firms in the 3rd and 4th quarter of this year, the company will gain support from many of them.

We aren't looking at Identiv as simply a short-term or mid-term trade; we have taken a long term position in the stock and plan to see it through, unless something much unexpected happens.

However, nothing is guaranteed especially when it comes to small cap companies. Hart could misstep and get too aggressive with cuts and not focus on enough growth. The company can also get irresponsible with its' cash position, and it can also not focus enough on making sure its' products are up to industry standard compliance.

While we do not believe this will happen, we feel we must point out this possibility as other companies in the past who have had a lot of promise simply blew it and failed.

  • Conclusion

We, along with Dave Callan, hope to enjoy the ride in the years to come from Identiv because we believe IoT is where the largest potential will be realized while CEO Hart agrees. The company is in a good position to gain partnerships with some of the biggest players in the business. It ultimately would not surprise us if one of the industry giants would acquire Identiv down the road as to avoid its supply chain from being interrupted or as a strategy to disrupt competitors' dependence on the same technology. However, we do not see an acquisition any time soon. When and if an acquisition does occur, it would likely be at least a couple of years down the road.

With David Callan on board, we have to believe that if company management ever engages in activity that is not beneficial to the shareholders, he and his attorneys will be there demanding the exploration of strategic alternatives. For now, he is extremely content to sit back and not make it his job managing those who run the company. Callan thinks Jason Hart and his management team will take this company and its shareholders to extreme prosperity in time and as indicated to us, he is in Identiv for the long haul.

As CEO Hart remarks on the company's Q1, 2104 earnings call, "It's going to take a few quarters," meaning new management will need a bit of time to undo the mess the former team left behind. So far, Hart and his associates are ahead of schedule.

The new senior management team came into place late last year, replacing all of Identiv's prior senior management along with the laying off 140 employees designed to "cut the fat." We like the initial moves Hart has implemented with Identiv, and even more so, we like his vision of consolidating the company's assets into a one-core business model under the premise of IoT.

As we mentioned prior, we also like the fact that Hart is not engaged in stock promotion. This is evident by the company not press releasing key partnerships, most notably the Verizon one mentioned on the Q1, 2014 earnings call.

We see far too many small cap companies promoting their stock with a lot of hyped up expectations. These companies often times become addicted to the hype, and frequently lose focus on actually executing core business fundamentals properly to realize these expectations.

Identiv's Hart is focusing on execution and results, versus hyped up stock promotion. Bigger and smarter money investors want to see this first and foremost, so we believe Hart will be successful in his meetings with bigger firms come the 3rd and 4th quarter of this year.

IoT is projected to be a 7 trillion + market by 2020, and all Identiv needs is a tiny percentage of this market to eventually achieve a multi-billion dollar market cap over time. The company has the right products to capitalize on IoT, but more importantly, we feel it has the right management to get the job done.

We believe patient investors with vision and perseverance will be handsomely rewarded here in the long term.

Disclosure: The author is long INVE.

Disclaimer: This article is intended for informational and entertainment use only, and should not be construed as professional investment advice. They are my opinions only. Trading stocks is risky -- always be sure to know and understand your risk tolerance. You can incur substantial financial losses in any trade or investment. Always do your own due diligence before buying and selling any stock, and/or consult with a licensed financial adviser.

 

 

 

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18 thoughts on “Activist Investor David Callan Has Been Accumulating Identiv Stock, Here is Why

  1. That big, fat, very recent R/S throws those sales ratios up in the air. A lot of companies are working in this area. I have to see how I feel about why these guys are “special”..
    Maybe…

  2. heh? the ratio was far worse pre RS, the RS was done for NASDAQ compliance, and to clean up old financing deal with lincoln under old management, in order to get new on. Old one company has control when Lincoln can buy, subquently control Lincoln from selling.

    New CEO won’t give Lincolm any green light. price to sales before – 1 dollar figure, sales projection = $90M. ratio therefore far worse. think market cap for p/s around $70, into 90M = 0.7, absurdly low when considering new management execution.
    Focus on CEO, research name recognition. Certainly up to each individual investor to decide. For me, it’s simple. When a guy like Callan has offered to personally finance them if needed, worth 200M dollars has been buying the piss out of it, im in!

  3. Hi Scott
    hope all is well been doing DD on INVE . I really like what I am hearing from Hart here Scott INVE reminds me of other tech stock call CAMP where a GREAT Ceo turn it around taking stock from 3 to 36 in a short time. I will be building my position up in INVE: Great job Scott finding INVE hard to find good CEO these days

  4. have a small 10K share position w/ INVE.. a little under water for now. Big task is to get the market to recognize INVE as a growth story in the explosive sector. Certainly, at current P/S of ~1, market isn’t doing that by a long shot. Not easy task for sure.

    IoT is/will be immense, but INVE is a security company in soon to be a crowded field…

    INVE already has almost 100M in revenue so big head start..get ahead of the curve in positioning the company in the next 1-2 years, and if INVE can get few BIG names as clients (Verizon for one… Disney? Apple? ) market cap will take care
    problem for me is liquidity. I need to buy more but hard to do so.

    Scott, if you really mean ‘long term investment’ pls keep us informed regularly, and not just for few days/week

  5. Tae; I will be writing a lot more on INVE, I just do not want to write too often, as I do not want anyone to perceive “pump and dump” which is what almost always happens when a stock gets too much coverage too fast. We should have something more in the next 2 weeks on it and in a wider array of media outlets.

    I like Hart more than anything as Callan does, and like the fact he s working hard to brand Identiv, even to the point he told Dave, ” I can’t worry about the stock right now, it will take care of itself in time as we execute.” Additionally, I will be talking to management soon, but not much they can say now as they are likely in quiet period with earnings about 30 days away. Scott

    1. thanks Scott.

      what’s ironic is ,..imagine if INVE were a new IPO stock focused on ioT today with 80 m annual sale , it would be a 1-2 B market cap IPO ( at least more than a 85M market cap) ….

      but due to past mess, no one even knows about the stock….you would have never known if it weren’t for Callan…..wonder how Callan came across this company. from what i read, he is mostly into health care bio stocks….

      1. He told me, but I honestly forgot, so I will ask him again. I talked to Lennart on Friday, who is the Chief of staff at INVE but it was a short convo, as he said he would have more time for a longer call next week. So, we have a call scheduled for 3 pm pacific time on Monday.

        Dave is more of a medical device guy above everything else and is prob the most effective activist type investor I have met. He does not “mess around” in terms of “hoping” management does its job. If management drops the ball, Dave has no problem engaging in any legal tactic to achieve the right goal.

        1. Scott,
          I read your twitter comments on the c/c with Lennart. Not much meat given they are 30 days from earnings? I guess you got more of a sense on the ‘philosophy’ more than anything.

          CNBC had two people today – one being founder of LinkedIn – who touted IoT as being the BIGGEST thing ever.

          I think IoT topic will continue to be talked about. Wait until Apple or Google (or other mega cap companies) do something to stir up the discussion in this space. There aren’t too many sexier topic than IoT at this point. I hope by then INVE is in the position to take advantage.

          I am now buying 2K 3-4 times / week until it gets to 100K shares.

          12K shares so far

          Tae

          1. There is a lot more, I just released video on it for premiums and will do a pub video soon. Earnings should be either first or 2nd week of next month, They will go quiet in prob a week or so from now.

            highlights of call – Disney is client, 3 or 4 video games, NFC. Lennart says partnerships are the focus now to grow. Are now looking to get permission to PR on those. Hinted at update on EBIDTA update, (I sense has changed there) obviously he cant tell me. Remarked that IOT is in the Innovation stage now, concepts, Said they are working to get out in front. They want to be a one stop shop. I remarked that if they execute right, INVE could eventually be a mid to large cap company to which he replied, “that’s the plan.”

            Remarked that pr is not a priority, and guided me to look at former management pr’n too much. It’s a conscience effort in part, but they also realize that more needs to be done as new partnerships come in. Seemed to hint there will be a lot more of that. Better Meat for you?!! Scott

            1. Also, Dave found out about this via his guys that “scout” new companies for him, attorneys, etc, etc.

              Also, talked to COS on call about the importance of NOT PUMPING LIKE PLUG!

              Don’t get me wrong, would love to see this one take off, but we want the business to be in focus and we want to bring the correct story, not bs or hype. I believe we got something good with INVE but we will need to be patient.

            2. absolutely!

              i had surmised that they were doing something w/ Disney on Disney Infinity games based on DD so that’s good. Yea, getting PR on things like that will generate excitement for potential investors.

              So what we already know is 1) Verizon for their enterprise clients. 2) Disney
              for their Infinity games. 3) “largest security distributor in the USA”..can’t be sure but I am guessing it’s Lenel (part of United Technology Company a 100B market cap company. Since company hasn’t said who, this is a guess. I know it’s not ADT…

              mid cap to large cap MC objective. Makes sense. That would make this a 15-50 bagger at this level in several years.

              good stuff Scott.

              I need to learn more about your premium versus public level. If you can get these kind of insights and info, well worth any money.

              thanks

              1. Disney Infinity is a video game that is Disney’s competitor to the near billion dollar Skylander franchise. Disney is launching a 2.0 version of this game during the fall quarter that incorporates the Marvel universe of characters. potentially, this as a huge upside for Identiv for their 3rd-4th quarters if things go well in this relationship.

  6. Nice article on a nano cap stock. very surprised to see coverage on such a small company, non health care play.

    I noticed that CEO Hart is only paid 200K or 250K per year – very below average for an IT company. I also noticed (if I read SEC filing correctly) that CEO Hart had 3.5M option shares at 0.88 (pre-reverse split). So, I suppose it is now 350K shares instead of 3.5M shares at 8.80.

    Over time, many CEO’s in technology sector have been given millions of shares that ended in naught so this doesn’t mean anything, but I do like the fact that CEO Hart’s compensation is mostly based on share appreciation. It’s now at 10.7, so 20% higher than Hart’s option price. Hart probably need to get this stock to about $100/share at current share count or about 800M MC and that would be a pretty darn good money for Hart’s option play.

    writer above is right – about a company like this should have been better as a NEW IPO play. given current IPO environment (the window is closing… but), company like this prob would have gotten 800M MC plus rather easily if they found a top tier banker to take them public at this time. At 85M MC and 80-90M revenue in 2014, it’s rather sad story.

    one other point is that people see INVE as a ‘computer peripheral’ industry/sector and CEO Hart needs to steer the company away from this ‘categorization’. peripheral sector is not where you want to be in technology. This, I think, is also important as part of a turnaround story and selling to new institutions in the future.

    lastly, if you talk to management time to time, it would be nice to know how to rectify liquidity issue. 50K share per day in volume just ain’t going to help the company’s share price perform to make any investor happy.

    I have an ability to purchase 1-2M $ worth of shares but haven’t bought any. I don’t have time and patience to sit by computer to buy 2-3K shares a day… just don’t and don’t want to.

    Since you have a rather effective medium through your website and Seeking Alpha to retail investors like us, it would be nice if you can share any insights to some questions/concerns posed here. You don’t have to, but would be nice.

    anyway, thanks for the article. i enjoyed it. since I met Cisco CEO Chambers some time ago in Australia and he was very high on IoT (a lot of $ invested there by Cisco), I have been very interested in this sector.

    there will be a lot of winners in this area. Of course Google and Apple will prob be the biggest winners, but i am not into investing into those few hundred B market cap companies.

    good wknd sir

    Lauren

    1. Hart is planning to road show this one between now and end of year. I plan to writing more on it, but in increments. What happened here was prior management almost ran this one into the ground and Jason knows that. His sole focus is IOT, not where the company was before as you mention. In time, I’m sure there will be more shares added to the pool. Jason is not concerned so much now with “stock promotion” but also needs to understand it’s important not to neglect this area. So many times we see promoted “pump and dump” jobs that are entirely about a bs story, like I consider $PLUG to be. However, it’s also not good to do no promotion, so I think a happy medium is called for here. I am confident that Hart is not only doing the job now to turn this one around, but will continue to do the job. Callan feels the same way. Callan has a buying plan in order with his broker, so if interested, that might be a way for you and others to accumulate very slowly without having to sit in front of your computer for days on end just to get a decent position. Scott

      1. thanks for quick response. i agree. never thought for a second to put money in pump and dump like PLUG and never will. But as you say, every CEO should know that for public companies, stock performance is really the only indicator the market cares about. It’s tough enough in normal circumstances but in this particular circumstance where new INVE (IoT) is trapped in an old body (computer peripheral – a sector market does not reward high valuation), the job is that much more challenging. CEO Hart has to be proactive and be out there addressing this.

        SPCB is a company I hold shares – a lot of shares. It’s got 12M annual revenue but MC is 121M ..P/S = 10. It’s in a lot of the stuff INVE has been involved in. Competitor? maybe but INVE is a lot more intriguing w/ IoT focus. The point is SPCB CEO is religious about communicating w/ the market and shareholders of company progress, sales wins, etc. I have met the CEO in conferences and is a ‘sales person’. CEO has stated to the market that they will have 250M in sales in the next 2-3 years. Share performance has been outstanding. I have no complaints.

        Now, having said this about SPCB, the CEO is a bit too much pump… he milks every PR and promotes the heck out of it. Maybe that is why it went from $1 to $9 in just a year or so. Personally, I don’t like the CEO, but he is getting the job done for share holders.

        Personally, I am with your on your philosophy about CEOs doing their job and let the stock price follow. BUT, as you prob are aware and CEO Hart is likely aware, this company’s current share price does NOT reflect ground zero (no past, no baggage, no past disappointments, etc). Rather, current price reflects hugely negative ‘baggage’ of INVE’s past, and without active marketing efforts on ALL fronts (aside from internal execution), the share price and appropriate MULTIPLES (10X is too much like my above example but let’s say 3-5X sales) will not follow so easily.

        it’s just my opinion. I think you know all this already.

        re: gradual buys by broker. I might consider, it’s an idea. been waiting for a pull back @10 or under, but just haven’t happened. Even this week’s Portugal related decline barely saw 10.2’s briefly before going above 10.5. I prob need to just do it…at this point, chances are PPS will just drift higher little by little versus coming down hard.

        cheers

  7. Jason has indicated to Callan that he will be engaged in those things you mention. However, he wants to be able to show what they have been getting done, so the plan is 3rd and 4th quarter road shows and meetings with the bigger money. Our article has generated interest and investors doing the DD. As stated, I will continue to write positive on it as long as company is executing on its plans. I intend to discuss these things next week with the company. Scott

    1. Thanks Scott. sounds good. look forward to additional coverage. I will check w/ their IR and get some dates for future conferences or shows and I will follow up in person. They are into fun stuff.

      thanks for a lot of your personal time tonight

      lauren

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